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Hundreds of Bioacoustics Stack Exchange users received the following private message that announced the suspension of their account:

Hello,

We’re writing from the Stack Exchange Community Management Team with respect to your account. As you are likely aware, during the “Commitment” phase of the Area 51 process, we require that proposals receive at least 100 committers who have 200 reputation across the network.

You may not be aware that we have certain network-wide policies that govern the voting systems on Stack Exchange. First among these is the principle: “Vote for the post, not the person.” Historically, we have interpreted this to mean that the posts you vote on should be discovered organically — not biased for or against any specific person. This policy captures a broad spectrum of behaviors. The following are examples of voting practices that violate Stack Exchange network policies:

Voting repeatedly for a user by discovering posts through their profile. Voting for posts you are directly linked to > elsewhere (e.g., in Slack or by email)

Deliberately voting in order to circumvent Stack Exchange system restrictions. For example, voting for a user’s posts only so that the user gains the privilege to comment.

Creating additional accounts (“sockpuppets”) to upvote one’s own posts.

Actively soliciting votes that do any of the above.

Recently, we discovered a series of votes between committers to the Bioacoustics Area 51 proposal that appeared to violate our network policies. In this specific case, with the votes in question removed, the Bioacoustics Area 51 proposal would not have launched when it did: these voting violations materially changed the outcome of the proposal.

We take this issue very seriously: attempts to circumvent the Area 51 process by voting for other specific users across the network is a violation of multiple core Stack Exchange policies.

As a result of your active participation in these voting practices, your account has been suspended network-wide for 7 days. While you’re suspended, your reputation will show as 1 but will be restored once the suspension ends. And, once the suspension ends, for the most part, you may return to the site and participate as normal.

However, Stack Exchange does not allow users who have been suspended in the year preceding an election to become moderators on the network. As a result, when we open nominations for the Bioacoustics election, you will no longer be eligible to nominate yourself in this election. Although this notice is quite serious, we hope this message does not discourage you from contributing to Bioacoustics Stack Exchange in the future — in compliance with our voting policies.

We appreciate and respect your enthusiasm for contributing to the Stack Exchange network. During the course of our investigation, we discovered a significant number of training and guidance materials for folks in your field to help them grow familiar with the Stack Exchange format. We commend this work and have very real respect for the time and energy you’ve put into building this site.

We look forward to your future contributions to the Stack Exchange network.

Thanks, Stack Exchange Community Management Team

I write this message on behalf of many of them in addition to just myself. We totally understand that SE sometimes has to suspend accounts but here it seems that SE has suddenly over-reacted. The way SE decided to suspend hundreds of users is quite obscure but I believe SE may have trusted the quality of their detection algorithm too much? SE did not providing any evidence or examples of how suspended users violated the CoC. By not giving users detailed knowledge on how they broke the rules, how are they supposed to course correct? Additionally, this mass suspension action, which has no mechanism for users to appeal, is unfriendly and we have lost many users who were using the site in good faith but are now turned off by this and leaving the site.

Organizing ourselves in our small community to promote and energize a Beta site does not mean we want to cheat. On one hand, 1) SE pushes us to vote as much as possible to reach the metric requirements, 2) SE awards us when we vote more (e.g. Vox Populi badge), and on the other hand, SE suspends our account WITHOUT ANY WARNING (at least as far as I am concerned) when we apparently upvote too often for the same persons. Many other reasons other than "cheating" can explain that, including the fact that 2 members may share common issues/knowledge that will logically lead to inter-votes. In any case, we don't vote for persons, we vote for the quality of individual posts.

I think that SE is at least as responsible as the Bioacoustics members for what it is going on, however, unfortunately, they put all the responsibilities on the members. A warning could be far more efficient than a direct suspension, which will discourage many of us. For instance, SE suspended 5 (and most active) editors out of 6 (https://bioacoustics.stackexchange.com/users?tab=Editors&filter=all)! Last but not least, SE did this in the middle of a moderator election which they then cancelled...

As far as we are all concerned, I think this sudden "authoritarian" response is not respectful to the amount of work all of us have put in during the last few months. We would appreciate explicit evidence and documentation that warranted this behavior and how best to move forward in regaining users we have lost from this unfair action.

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    $\begingroup$ Totally agree, @Carly. 100% behind this. We have little transparency and a strong, clever, and giving community. All of this drama is such a confusing distraction. $\endgroup$
    – Chloe
    Aug 19, 2022 at 8:16
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    $\begingroup$ @NikeDattani that might 'seem' humorous - but that's ... a rather serious accusation. I'd note this post was linked on main meta, and its a much more honest and direct response than we'd get. The community team has a stake in the network's constituent sites succeeding, as much as us random SE denizens. $\endgroup$ Aug 19, 2022 at 21:02
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    $\begingroup$ Right now no one from the Bioacoustics can vote or post because of their accounts being suspended....there would be dozens more upvotes. Convenient, I agree. $\endgroup$ Aug 19, 2022 at 21:03
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    $\begingroup$ A warning could be far more efficient than a direct suspension, which will discourage many of us. – As a moderator of one of the affected sites, I would like to comment on this: As early as April, we noticed problematic coordinated activities from a dozen people (who turned out to be Bioacoustics supporters). They all received warnings/suspensions or other clear signals such as post deletions, some of them twice. Naturally, we could only warn those whom we knew to be involved, but plenty of people were warned and had ample time to share their experience. $\endgroup$
    – Wrzlprmft
    Aug 25, 2022 at 15:23
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    $\begingroup$ Not everyone received a warning before their suspension, I've talked to some people who did not. $\endgroup$ Aug 25, 2022 at 17:06
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    $\begingroup$ Yep, I was suspended for "activities not on this site", with no warning. My last SE action outside of this forum was a single vote on march 28, and an answer on Aug 10, 2021. Peculiar to have that as grounds for suspension. Seems someone at SE just presses "ctrl+a" and then hit "suspend". $\endgroup$
    – Rasmus
    Aug 29, 2022 at 8:09
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    $\begingroup$ @Rasmus that is super frustrating and it seems like you may be a good candidate to appeal, if you are willing to go through that process - this post has a link to the "Contact Us" form where you can appeal $\endgroup$
    – selene
    Aug 29, 2022 at 17:38

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I want to start by highlighting a bit you quoted from the mod message users were sent:

We appreciate and respect your enthusiasm for contributing to the Stack Exchange network. During the course of our investigation, we discovered a significant number of training and guidance materials for folks in your field to help them grow familiar with the Stack Exchange format. We commend this work and have very real respect for the time and energy you’ve put into building this site.

We look forward to your future contributions to the Stack Exchange network.

The Community Management Team fully appreciates the level of involvement and effort needed to get a new community off the ground, and to go through the Area 51 process. As mentioned in the mod message, we also appreciate that you put effort into getting new folks acquainted with the Stack Exchange platform and how it works. This situation is in no way ideal for any of the parties involved, and it gives us no pleasure to have to take such widespread enforcement action affecting such a big portion of the folks who’ve established themselves as a core part of this community.

We completely understand that this situation is frustrating, causes confusion, and is a heavy blow for this community. We also recognize that these actions may make parts of the community feel unappreciated, and that your efforts to establish a successful community may feel like they are going to waste. The actions undertaken by the Community Management Team in this instance were not taken lightly — in fact, the reason the election was canceled was precisely so we could take the time to fully investigate the circumstances surrounding the issues we’d found, so the results of that investigation could fully inform any actions we’d need to take.

Clarifying the moderator message

Given the confusion expressed by many of the users who’ve responded to messages they were sent, we would like to clarify one critical point with regards to the nature of the infringing voting behaviors. To clarify: the problematic votes were not cast on this site, but rather on other sites on the Stack Exchange network. It is not abnormal that, in the early stages of a new site, a lot of cross-voting takes place between the most engaged users — especially given the site’s success depends on that. What is abnormal and problematic, however, is to coordinate handing out votes with the explicit intention of meeting reputation-based privilege thresholds, in an attempt to aid the proposal’s progression through the Area 51 stages — and the evidence we’ve uncovered clearly demonstrates that this behavior took place.

One additional clarification - the number of users suspended does not number in the hundreds. In total, we took around 90 actions - around 70 suspensions, and 20 warnings.

The story – or, the parts we can share

We recognize that in the absence of complete information, it can be frustrating to understand what’s happening. We have an obligation to protect user privacy, but here’s the part of the story we can share.

Some time ago, multiple moderation teams across the Stack Exchange network brought an irregular voting issue to our attention. These irregular votes were disruptive to normal activities on their sites. It’s typical for moderators to call our attention to issues like this when they lack the tools to investigate fully on-site — such as when irregular voting spans many sites on the network. Moderators only have insight into voting patterns on their own sites. The need for a more wide-ranging investigation and the potential need for action across multiple sites necessarily involved the Community Management Team.

Once the investigation concluded, we issued suspensions where the number of involved votes was significant, and we issued warnings where the number of votes was minor. None of these actions was undertaken by automated systems, nor detected by automatic algorithms. To further ensure that the enforcement actions were correctly taken, we had multiple Community Managers from the team involved, cross-checking and validating each others’ work, up to and including the involvement of our VP of Community. We are confident in the outcome of this investigation, but because the number of involved users is high, it is possible that some users may have received a message erroneously — however, we expect this number (if any) to be very small.

The Community Management Team is fully aware of these actions’ potential impacts on this community’s health and chances of success, and we carefully weighed the balance of harms to find a sensible path forward. Given the evidence we uncovered during our investigation, we feel that the actions taken were proportional to the offense, and that we have followed typical moderation guidance on Stack Exchange.

Finally, a couple of notes: it is a general policy on the Stack Exchange to not debate individual user suspensions publicly on Meta, especially when the involved users are still suspended and cannot take part in the conversation. Additionally, while we understand the concerns surrounding transparency in this situation, pointing users who violated rules to the exact votes that broke the rules is not something we usually do. Unfortunately, this means follow-up questions to the effect of “can you show me the votes that caused my message/suspension?” are likely to stay unresponded-to, both in the moderator message and in public.

Where this community goes from here

We know that this can be overwhelming and could be demoralizing. But with all that being said, please remember that all is not lost. To highlight another bit of the quoted text you posted:

Although this notice is quite serious, we hope this message does not discourage you from contributing to Bioacoustics Stack Exchange in the future — in compliance with our voting policies.

This was written sincerely! We recognize some will be put off and driven away by this situation, but that is not the intention of our actions. The goal of any message or suspension is to provoke change; not to punish. Such actions exist to provide the gentlest appropriate correction that we believe can remit the situation, while remaining consistent with prior similar interventions (where they exist) and staying true to the spirit of the rules. Stack Exchange does not hold grudges, nor do we keep public records of suspensions — we know that past offenders can turn into healthy contributors to our communities, and, indeed, have instances where folks who’ve been suspended have later become moderators somewhere on the network. In one week’s time, we hope the vast majority of the users who were suspended do return to the site and continue to contribute, bearing this guidance in mind.

We still plan to hold an election to find your inaugural moderators — stay tuned for an announcement early next week — and we are confident this community can still be healthy and thrive. While the users suspended will not be able to run in this election, there are still many viable election candidates within the community who we hope will nominate themselves for the position. The success of this site rests in the outcome of that election, and at least 3 moderators are required for it to be considered a success — for that reason, we encourage anyone who is eligible to nominate for the position once the new election date is set and nominations are open.

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    $\begingroup$ "Not a punishment" You have caused a lot of damage and mistrust in this community with these actions. Several colleagues have deleted accounts and more will undoubtedly follow if you carry on with your policy for banning folk from the moderator elections. As what you accuse us of happened before this site was even created and has not happened since, this is by definition a punishment, because it does nothing but cause harm to this site. This was not the way to treat this community. $\endgroup$
    – user213
    Aug 25, 2022 at 17:30
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    $\begingroup$ As mentioned in the messages and in the post, the aim of our actions was not to discourage further participation — we understand our actions cause frustration, and although they were not an easy decision to come to, they were the ones the circumstances and evidence led us to take. $\endgroup$
    – JNat StaffMod
    Aug 25, 2022 at 17:56
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    $\begingroup$ @JamieMacaulay You're correct that it hasn't happened since the site launched, but these votes occurred weeks before the suspensions were issued, and had a negative impact on many sites across the network. That negative impact does not evaporate just because the site ultimately launched and the impetus to vote illegitimately disappeared. So our response is ultimately protective of the network as a whole. Suspensions are often issued to ask users to step back for a bit and re-evaluate how they engage with the site, particularly when it is causing problems network-wide. $\endgroup$
    – Slate StaffMod
    Aug 25, 2022 at 17:57
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    $\begingroup$ Sure, I get it. We broke the rules so you have to make an example of us. It’s the way you went about it, without warning, without trying to work with the community for an explanation (that has now been provided). Cutting out almost all the moderators in the election too. I just can’t see a justification for cost/benefit of that approach but hey, I’m also not running a giant q&a website. Fingers crossed the site moves on from all this. $\endgroup$
    – user213
    Aug 26, 2022 at 9:58
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    $\begingroup$ I do not understand an argument that because candidates for moderator were involved, somehow SE should have taken a lighter approach. Moderators are trusted with private user data and with a lot of responsibility in setting the direction of a site. They are often expected to make decisions specifically when a clear written guideline is not available. As JNat points out, there are many potential candidates in this community that were not suspended. $\endgroup$ Aug 26, 2022 at 19:48
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    $\begingroup$ @BryanKrause "I understand the sentiment that wants to attribute a malicious motive to the suspensions" I have not read this anywhere. This bumbled situation arose because the investigation into the fraudulent votes began during the election process. At least that is my impression. If the investigation had already been in process before the election began nobody among the staff would have allowed the nomination phase to go underway. $\endgroup$
    – Mari-Lou A
    Aug 27, 2022 at 0:09
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    $\begingroup$ The investigation and the suspensions should have concluded before 5 users volunteered. It didn't happen because someone at SE finally woke up to the fact that several mods across the network had informed the team, months earlier, that something was not quite right with number of votes being cast in their sites. Community managers need to be updated on a regular basis, moderators across the network need to insist that the team responds sooner not later to any concerns raised. $\endgroup$
    – Mari-Lou A
    Aug 27, 2022 at 0:12
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    $\begingroup$ @Rasmus From this post: "What is abnormal and problematic, however, is to coordinate handing out votes with the explicit intention of meeting reputation-based privilege thresholds, in an attempt to aid the proposal’s progression through the Area 51 stages". $\endgroup$ Aug 29, 2022 at 14:46
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    $\begingroup$ @Rasmus From the mod message posted in the question here: "Voting repeatedly for a user by discovering posts through their profile. ... Voting for posts you are directly linked to > elsewhere (e.g., in Slack or by email) ... Deliberately voting in order to circumvent Stack Exchange system restrictions. For example, voting for a user’s posts only so that the user gains the privilege to comment. ... Creating additional accounts (“sockpuppets”) to upvote one’s own posts. ... Actively soliciting votes that do any of the above." $\endgroup$ Aug 29, 2022 at 14:47
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    $\begingroup$ @Rasmus You can possibly reply to the message and ask for clarification, though the staff isn't going to discuss your case publicly here per policy and as JNat already mentioned they don't typically point to specific votes. As they've described, this wasn't an automated or capricious action but something carefully studied where patterns emerged. Suspensions only went to accounts with the most evidence, others with lesser involvement were only warned. $\endgroup$ Aug 29, 2022 at 17:07
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    $\begingroup$ @AndrewT. that -200 was because of my suspension (that's the reason given on my account) and thus not the cause of it. Also this is not because of my actions, but because others have voted on my contributions. See: stackoverflow.com/help/serial-voting-reversed $\endgroup$
    – Rasmus
    Aug 29, 2022 at 18:12
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    $\begingroup$ @Rasmus Based entirely on public information: The -200 voting corrected reversal on your SO account on 2022-08-26 had nothing to do with your suspension for this issue. The suspensions for the issues here were applied prior to 2022-08-19 (this question's date). Your reversal was 7+ days later. Your voting correction was for serial voting to your account in 2018 (only possibility) by at least 5 other users. >= 5 accounts is known because there were 5 sets of serial votes all on 4 posts. 5 votes on each of 4 posts requires >= 5 users, which tracks as 5 votes * 4 posts * 10 rep = 200 rep. $\endgroup$
    – Makyen
    Aug 29, 2022 at 20:27
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    $\begingroup$ @Rasmus You appear to have misunderstood the page you linked to. Users are not suspended for nor at fault for being the target of serial voting, unless they participated in getting the votes (e.g. created sockpuppet accounts to upvote their own posts). You've mentioned one suspension for the reason described in the question here, which was not because of that voting correction/reversal. Presuming you have no other, more recent suspension or moderator message, then I'd assume you were merely the target of the voting and without fault. $\endgroup$
    – Makyen
    Aug 29, 2022 at 20:27
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    $\begingroup$ @Makyen thanks for the correction, but this leaves me even more confused in regards to the suspension. $\endgroup$
    – Rasmus
    Aug 29, 2022 at 21:17
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    $\begingroup$ @Rasmus To my best knowledge my only activity on SE was on this site during this period (since Aug 10 2021), so being suspended because of activity not on this site seems puzzling If your activity was this limited, it's possible your suspension was inappropriate especially if you received no prior warning. Staff do make mistakes, so it's worth spending some time composing an email and explaining in detail (include links etc.) why you think an error was committed when your account was suspended. bioacoustics.meta.stackexchange.com/contact $\endgroup$
    – Mari-Lou A
    Sep 1, 2022 at 6:20

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